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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-7413</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Does it matter? The CEO of the company posted here.

Additionally, they&#039;ve already addressed several of my issues with the service.
- Even free accounts now have 2 gigabytes of storage space. 
- On PBwiki 2.0, they&#039;ve got several color schemes, and none of them look nearly as horrible as the old &quot;Bamboo&quot; or &quot;Hideous Neon Orange&quot; themes.

My only real complaint is that they&#039;ve dispensed with the &quot;Wiki password&quot; feature in PBWiki 2.0 and now require all collaborators to make accounts. One of the things I found attractive about the old system was that I didn&#039;t have to send out individual email invites to a lot of people; I could just cc everyone with a link and password.

The old system is still available in PBWiki 1.0, though; so I&#039;m not complaining too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Does it matter? The CEO of the company posted here.</p>
<p>Additionally, they&#8217;ve already addressed several of my issues with the service.<br />
- Even free accounts now have 2 gigabytes of storage space.<br />
- On PBwiki 2.0, they&#8217;ve got several color schemes, and none of them look nearly as horrible as the old &#8220;Bamboo&#8221; or &#8220;Hideous Neon Orange&#8221; themes.</p>
<p>My only real complaint is that they&#8217;ve dispensed with the &#8220;Wiki password&#8221; feature in PBWiki 2.0 and now require all collaborators to make accounts. One of the things I found attractive about the old system was that I didn&#8217;t have to send out individual email invites to a lot of people; I could just cc everyone with a link and password.</p>
<p>The old system is still available in PBWiki 1.0, though; so I&#8217;m not complaining too much.</p>
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		<title>By: tomax7</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-7410</link>
		<dc:creator>tomax7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...thanks for the review.  Regarding Arty, he&#039;s posted the same thing word for word on other blogs, so me thinks he might be a pbshrill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;thanks for the review.  Regarding Arty, he&#8217;s posted the same thing word for word on other blogs, so me thinks he might be a pbshrill.</p>
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		<title>By: holbrookfields</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-7310</link>
		<dc:creator>holbrookfields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cheaper prices and more storage please...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cheaper prices and more storage please&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: pbwiki &#171; Matt&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-5102</link>
		<dc:creator>pbwiki &#171; Matt&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agree with this review (http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/, Accessed Sat 18 Aug 2007 at 9.10am AEST) in that only 10mb of space is nothing. As it says, email [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] agree with this review (<a href="http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/" rel="nofollow">http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/</a>, Accessed Sat 18 Aug 2007 at 9.10am AEST) in that only 10mb of space is nothing. As it says, email [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Weekly</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-4665</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weekly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

It&#039;s totally true that it doesn&#039;t cost very much money to set up a MediaWiki on, say, a Dreamhost or 1&amp;1 account. If you&#039;re a geek-on-a-budget, it&#039;s not a bad answer, if you&#039;re comfy with MediaWiki in particular, and don&#039;t really care too much about performance, and don&#039;t really worry about your wiki having a lot of users, and your data isn&#039;t all that confidential, and if you have the time to maintain it securely and keep it up to date with patches, and you&#039;re okay with using a non-WYSIWYG editor. ;)

By using PBwiki you can spend your time worrying about other things. You don&#039;t have to worry about hard drive crashes, breakins, failures, etc. It&#039;ll just always be there for you, up and secure, and easy. Every day the service gets a little better. The time savings and peace of mind is worth a lot to the tens of thousands of businesses (and educators!) that use our service, which is why folks actually spend money on our service.

Kinda like how you can do your own payroll or income tax on your own, but it&#039;s a PITA and you might get it wrong so you might as well have someone else take care of it for a reasonable fee. We take care of the worry of running a wiki so you can take care of whatever it is that you do for a living - probably not running wikis, unless you&#039;re in our space. ;)

My $0.02, anyhow, kinda biased.

Cheers,
 David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s totally true that it doesn&#8217;t cost very much money to set up a MediaWiki on, say, a Dreamhost or 1&amp;1 account. If you&#8217;re a geek-on-a-budget, it&#8217;s not a bad answer, if you&#8217;re comfy with MediaWiki in particular, and don&#8217;t really care too much about performance, and don&#8217;t really worry about your wiki having a lot of users, and your data isn&#8217;t all that confidential, and if you have the time to maintain it securely and keep it up to date with patches, and you&#8217;re okay with using a non-WYSIWYG editor. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By using PBwiki you can spend your time worrying about other things. You don&#8217;t have to worry about hard drive crashes, breakins, failures, etc. It&#8217;ll just always be there for you, up and secure, and easy. Every day the service gets a little better. The time savings and peace of mind is worth a lot to the tens of thousands of businesses (and educators!) that use our service, which is why folks actually spend money on our service.</p>
<p>Kinda like how you can do your own payroll or income tax on your own, but it&#8217;s a PITA and you might get it wrong so you might as well have someone else take care of it for a reasonable fee. We take care of the worry of running a wiki so you can take care of whatever it is that you do for a living &#8211; probably not running wikis, unless you&#8217;re in our space. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My $0.02, anyhow, kinda biased.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
 David</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-1641</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: ads - I honestly haven&#039;t noticed a difference in the advertising. It&#039;s exactly the same now as it was when I first signed up. I don&#039;t mind it, I usually have Ad-Block Plus Firefox extension turned on, but I flipped it off to take another look, and the ads aren&#039;t any different now then they were before.

re: Point-and-Click Editor - I honestly hadn&#039;t noticed it&#039;s presence. Took me a bit to figure out how to switch to it. But really, the new editor is just an embedded, customized copy of FCKeditor.

re: Speed - That &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a good thing. Thinking back on it, pbwiki was a tad sluggish at times.


Maybe I&#039;m just cynical and hard to impress. PBwiki is a decent service, and I&#039;d recommend the free plan to anyone. But I honestly would not pay for a service plan upgrade. Why? Because, as I stated before, for the same amount of money, you could get a real hosting plan, load MediaWiki on it, and have a whole lot more power. This is the same reason why I probably won&#039;t be paying for a wordpress.com upgrade.
Don&#039;t get me wrong. Pre-setup plans where you don&#039;t have to worry about the software running the site are nice.  But I know enough about hosting providers, PHP, FTP, HTML, CSS, etc, that I could set up a decent site and be in full control for roughly the same amount of money as wp.com and pbwiki charge for an upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: ads &#8211; I honestly haven&#8217;t noticed a difference in the advertising. It&#8217;s exactly the same now as it was when I first signed up. I don&#8217;t mind it, I usually have Ad-Block Plus Firefox extension turned on, but I flipped it off to take another look, and the ads aren&#8217;t any different now then they were before.</p>
<p>re: Point-and-Click Editor &#8211; I honestly hadn&#8217;t noticed it&#8217;s presence. Took me a bit to figure out how to switch to it. But really, the new editor is just an embedded, customized copy of FCKeditor.</p>
<p>re: Speed &#8211; That <i>is</i> a good thing. Thinking back on it, pbwiki was a tad sluggish at times.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just cynical and hard to impress. PBwiki is a decent service, and I&#8217;d recommend the free plan to anyone. But I honestly would not pay for a service plan upgrade. Why? Because, as I stated before, for the same amount of money, you could get a real hosting plan, load MediaWiki on it, and have a whole lot more power. This is the same reason why I probably won&#8217;t be paying for a wordpress.com upgrade.<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong. Pre-setup plans where you don&#8217;t have to worry about the software running the site are nice.  But I know enough about hosting providers, PHP, FTP, HTML, CSS, etc, that I could set up a decent site and be in full control for roughly the same amount of money as wp.com and pbwiki charge for an upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weekly</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weekly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Hi! I&#039;m the CEO of PBwiki. Thanks for writing this review of PBwiki; sorry to have not noticed it until now. [ Arthur&#039;s simply an enthusiastic user; we didn&#039;t pay him. :) ]

RE: ads - there is a single, small Google ad displayed on (free, non-educational) public wikis. Please let me know if you find it obtrusive.

I&#039;m also not sure if you&#039;ve tried our Point-and-Click Editor yet. It makes it super easy to edit documents without needing to know wiki code, and uniquely you can switch back and forth between WYSIWYG and wikitext modes as you wish. You can also drop in calendars, slideshows, equations, and more with a few clicks. We launched this a few months ago, so we haven&#039;t just been sitting on our thumbs.

The service is also about ten times faster than it was even two months ago. :)

If you have suggestions for what we could do to make it better, I&#039;m all ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Hi! I&#8217;m the CEO of PBwiki. Thanks for writing this review of PBwiki; sorry to have not noticed it until now. [ Arthur's simply an enthusiastic user; we didn't pay him. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
<p>RE: ads &#8211; there is a single, small Google ad displayed on (free, non-educational) public wikis. Please let me know if you find it obtrusive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not sure if you&#8217;ve tried our Point-and-Click Editor yet. It makes it super easy to edit documents without needing to know wiki code, and uniquely you can switch back and forth between WYSIWYG and wikitext modes as you wish. You can also drop in calendars, slideshows, equations, and more with a few clicks. We launched this a few months ago, so we haven&#8217;t just been sitting on our thumbs.</p>
<p>The service is also about ten times faster than it was even two months ago. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you have suggestions for what we could do to make it better, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. The previous comment was so full of hype, I don&#039;t even know why I saved it from the spam queue.
1) The sign up process has been identical since basically forever.
2) The ads are still there. In force.
3) There have never been any popups.

PBwiki is overpriced. If you want to spend the kind of money they want, you&#039;re far better getting real hosting and installing MediaWiki. It&#039;d be ton more flexible, too.

Essentially, almost nothing has changed since I posted this. I think they&#039;ve added universal account, unlimited comments on free wikis, templates, and some bug fixes. I don&#039;t use any of those features. Big wup.

Watch for Google&#039;s upcoming JotSpot rerelease. Given their track record, that&#039;s what I&#039;ll probably switch to. I can almost guarantee the storage space will be 10x what pbwiki offers at the free level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. The previous comment was so full of hype, I don&#8217;t even know why I saved it from the spam queue.<br />
1) The sign up process has been identical since basically forever.<br />
2) The ads are still there. In force.<br />
3) There have never been any popups.</p>
<p>PBwiki is overpriced. If you want to spend the kind of money they want, you&#8217;re far better getting real hosting and installing MediaWiki. It&#8217;d be ton more flexible, too.</p>
<p>Essentially, almost nothing has changed since I posted this. I think they&#8217;ve added universal account, unlimited comments on free wikis, templates, and some bug fixes. I don&#8217;t use any of those features. Big wup.</p>
<p>Watch for Google&#8217;s upcoming JotSpot rerelease. Given their track record, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ll probably switch to. I can almost guarantee the storage space will be 10x what pbwiki offers at the free level.</p>
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		<title>By: Arty</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-1376</link>
		<dc:creator>Arty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that PB Wiki is maturing and getting into full trhrottle i am noticing a lot of good changes! i joined it recently because i found it was realy, REALY easy to join.. no long questionaires no credit card details, or anything else that sounds suspicious. it was more like:
- whats the name you want (you.pbwiki.com)
- email, to recieve your unique password
- DONE! easy as a peanut battuer sandwich, actually, easier!!
Then i’ve recently realized that all the adds have been dissapearing and a lot of promos have been thrown, like just this month if you want to upgrade to a SUPER-DOOPER, DIAMOND DOUBLE DELUXE, CEOaccount “aka Platinum” which features 5GB of space and at least 15 other features the price is half. HOWEVER that doesnt really appeal to me because i am a user than enjoys FREE browsing, hosting, ect. So im verry with my free account because there arent any popups.. everything is pretty chilled there, and the BEST THING yet!! is that not all the good names are taken! my website is arty.pbwiki.com, HOW good is that!?!?!? no extra symbols or numbers! Aswell, you can make your wiki private, like i did, so only me and my friends see it!
I hope this info is helpful to all those looking for a wiki to join.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that PB Wiki is maturing and getting into full trhrottle i am noticing a lot of good changes! i joined it recently because i found it was realy, REALY easy to join.. no long questionaires no credit card details, or anything else that sounds suspicious. it was more like:<br />
- whats the name you want (you.pbwiki.com)<br />
- email, to recieve your unique password<br />
- DONE! easy as a peanut battuer sandwich, actually, easier!!<br />
Then i’ve recently realized that all the adds have been dissapearing and a lot of promos have been thrown, like just this month if you want to upgrade to a SUPER-DOOPER, DIAMOND DOUBLE DELUXE, CEOaccount “aka Platinum” which features 5GB of space and at least 15 other features the price is half. HOWEVER that doesnt really appeal to me because i am a user than enjoys FREE browsing, hosting, ect. So im verry with my free account because there arent any popups.. everything is pretty chilled there, and the BEST THING yet!! is that not all the good names are taken! my website is arty.pbwiki.com, HOW good is that!?!?!? no extra symbols or numbers! Aswell, you can make your wiki private, like i did, so only me and my friends see it!<br />
I hope this info is helpful to all those looking for a wiki to join.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://frem.wordpress.com/2006/02/04/pbwiki-review/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the first sentance of the second paragraph and click the link. It makes a lot more sense if you know what a wiki is. ;-)

There&#039;s a slightly more readable discription &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; title=&quot;http://www.themedia.co.za/article.aspx?articleid=249581&amp;area=/media_columnistsnet_savvy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;

Aside from that, what didn&#039;t you understand? I&#039;ll be happy to clarify anything.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the first sentance of the second paragraph and click the link. It makes a lot more sense if you know what a wiki is. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a slightly more readable discription <a href="" title="http://www.themedia.co.za/article.aspx?articleid=249581&amp;area=/media_columnistsnet_savvy/" rel="nofollow">here</a><a></p>
<p>Aside from that, what didn&#8217;t you understand? I&#8217;ll be happy to clarify anything.</a></p>
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